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<table border="0" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1" width="100%" class="forumline"> <tr> <th class="thCornerL" width="22%" height="26">Author</th> <th class="thCornerR">Message</th> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>DarkFalcoZ</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Nov 25, 2009 2:51 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Choose next meeting. <br /> <br />Option 1: Thanksgiving - unearthly morning hours <br />Option 2: Thanksgiving - eggs & bacon hours <br />Option 3: Thanksgiving - nap hours <br />Option 4: Thanksgiving - colossal dinner hours <br />Option 5: Thanksgiving - wheel barrel transportation hours <br />Option 6: Thanksgiving - fart cloud sleep hours</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Lichenthrope</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jul 25, 2009 4:57 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>DarkFalcoZ wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote"> <br /> <br />I'm also curious, what are your hard drive specs?</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Samsung SP1614C <br />180gb <br />55gb free <br /> <br />Single player works like a dream. <br /> <br />Online has worked tolerably well for months - probably almost a year - if I avoided peak times for local use. <br /> <br />It may be something with v1.5. I think it's more likely to be the ISP's service offering, which has had a wide range of "teething problems" that I suspect they're still playing with. <br /> <br />Anyway, will look into it more later - have to go - thanks for suggestions.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>DarkFalcoZ</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 5:22 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">So what is the quality of gameplay in singleplayer for you, Lichen (i.e. fps, stutters, relatively slow loading). If playing singleplayer gives you crappy gameplay, you might want to look into reformatting and re-installing windows. <br /> <br />I'm also curious, what are your hard drive specs?</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Exploderman</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2009 5:51 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Quote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">"Note to self: 1Available to credit approved customers in Optus' 3G/HSPA coverage areas, some homes excluded. See virginbroadbanad.com.au/coverage. Minimum total cost over 24 months is $1,920. To leave pay $15 x months left on your contract, the current month's pro-rated min spend & unbilled charges. 2 Standard residential non-commercial calls only. Excludes some call types. Calls disconnect after 90 minutes, but no additional charges incurred to call the number again immediately. With notice we may cancel your service if we believe you're in breach of the Fair Use Policy. 3 If you exceed 4GB data usage (uploads and downloads), speed is limited to 128kbps. Exceed 4.25GB data usage and your service will be unavailable until the first day of your next usage period, unless you purchase a data top up. Service cancellation may apply if you download continuously or if your use adversely impacts other users. Peer 2 Peer speed limited to 32kbps. 4 Modem requires mains power & remains our property. Fees apply if not returned when service cancelled. 5 To cancel call 1300 555 100 within 30 days, pay for your usage & return our modem. Guarantee doesn't apply if you have asked to transfer your number to us. Important Note: This service may only be used at your nominated premises and is not recommended if you require disability or business services or a home alarm system on your phone line. Service will not work in the event of a power failure. ACMA's Customer Service Guarantee does not apply. Payment by E-Bill & Direct Debit only. See virginbroadband.com.au for full details. Virgin Mobile (Australia) Pty Limited t/a Virgin Broadband ABN 67 092 726 442."</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Too much bullshit to remember and follow to even go with this company in the first place. $80 for 24 months/ 2 years sounds too good to be true anyway. <br /> <br /> <br />I've only breifly looked, but here is a broadband company that you could consider <a href="http://www.activ8me.net.au/default.asp?contentID=600" target="_blank">http://www.activ8me.net.au/default.asp?contentID=600</a> . I pay roughly $60 a month here in the states for DSL speeds, and it isn't the "greatest" speed in the world either. It's still satellite, but it wouldn't hurt to try. <br /> <br />Also, if you connect to the internet through an Ethernet port, try looking into the <a href="http://www.evga.com/articles/00467/" target="_blank" class="postlink">EVGA Killer Xeno Pro</a></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Lichenthrope</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2009 6:19 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Pentium 4 CPU 3.06GHz <br />2.00 GB of RAM <br />Windows XP <br />NVIDIA GeForce 7900 GS <br /> <br />... so it's not the computer. <br /> <br />It's Virgin Wireless Broadband - basically a mobile phone box bolted to the wall - notoriously bad for lag and intermittent drop-outs, and I think their literature even indicates that it isn't really up to FPS games. I've been on it for almost two years, I think, almost since the launch of the service, and though it's improved markedly and is certainly better than dialup, it's nothing like a real broadband service. <br /> <br />The problem is, it's all I can get where I live, even though I'm only 40 minutes from the Brisbane CBD. The copper to my area just isn't up to it. <br /> <br />It's annoying, though, that until recently I'd been able to play well most of the time, particularly off-peak for where I am - which is generally when most players are around anyway. <br /> <br />So, I'll keep trying from time to time, but don't hold great hopes. <br /> <br />A decent connection is bound to reach here some day, particularly with the billions being poured into the National Broadband Network, but it could be years.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>The_General</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:17 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Stay away from satellite; That's what I'm on right now. <br /> <br />I can connect to games but most of the time when I get on I can't send messages or shoot at all. <br />It also has a 1 second delay while my orders get relayed off to everyone else so, in a firefight, you're fairly screwed. <br /> <br />If you're in/near a city, I'd try to find a wireless broadband ISP.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Exploderman</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jul 14, 2009 12:14 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Why not build/buy a new computer? Cause' that would solve many problems you have with giants and even lag (or at least reduce it depending on how much of an upgrade and what you're upgrading). <br /> <br />I suggest a decent CPU (at least 2.4 GHz) and GPU (even an old GeForce FX5200 is enoguh for Giants). After that, look into getting some kind of DSL, Cable, or Satelite broadband connection, they are getting pretty cheap, or at least should be by now. And if you already have braodband of some kind, would help if you had cat6 Ethernet cables, or if youre on a wireless connection, go with a wireless-N network (stronger faster signal.) <br /> <br />Btw, could you post your system specs and how you are connected to the internet.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Lichenthrope</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2009 5:50 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Looks like I'm pretty much out of it now. Either my connection has got even worse, or the 1.5 patch is exacerbating things, but I can't get into a game without serious visible lag (frozen vimps etc) or someone complaining about lag. My figures seem to be about the same, but the effects are much worse. <br /> <br />Just when there's enough people around for decent games. <br /> <br />Looks like I'll have to wait for the National Broadband Network.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>The_General</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2009 1:52 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Ex, were you at the meeting? <br /> <br />If so, someone of your rank has the right to hand out a WAAW Award, for the clan member who played awesomely, and neither me or Puglin was there to do it.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Teshchamp</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 2:54 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">That was fun, too bad Puglin and the others weren't there...</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Lichenthrope</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2009 1:20 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Well, there I go again. By the time a decent broadband connection reaches my place, no-one will be playing Giants anymore. Or, if I'm lucky, it'll be time for patch 1.6.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>DarkFalcoZ</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2009 1:19 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">The meeting has again changed to June 28th (Sun). It will be the same times. <br /> <br />U.S.: 12am - 1am (Sun) <br />Netherlands: 6am - 7am (Sun) <br />Australia: 1pm - 2pm (Sun) <br /> <br />These will be the meet times until further notice.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Teshchamp</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:29 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">oops, I have a party on friday to saturday, i think i can't make it. <br />sunday, however, i can be there</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>The_General</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jun 20, 2009 5:03 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Third time lucky.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>DarkFalcoZ</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2009 1:11 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">No one showed up at the meeting, so apparently somebody had an issue with the times =p. <br /> <br />I'll re-schedule a meet for June 27th (SAT) then. It will be the same times. <br /> <br />U.S.: 12am - 1am (Sat) <br />Netherlands: 6am - 7am (Sat) <br />Australia: 1pm - 2pm (Sat) <br /> <br />If ANYONE has a problem with making it to the meeting, post it now.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Puglin</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2009 5:19 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Aaarg! I missed today's meeting thanks to computer troubles. Only just got the bloody thing working. Sorry guys.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Teshchamp</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2009 2:19 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Hey guys, I can't come to any meeting in the coming 2 weeks because I have to do 16 (yup, 16) tests and reports and other stuff for school so I won't have any time. <br />After that, on Saturday the 27th of June I have holiday, I could come to a meeting then <img src="images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif" alt="Very Happy" border="0" /></span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Exploderman</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2009 1:58 am<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody"></span> <table width="90%" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" border="0" align="center"> <tr> <td><span class="genmed"><b>Sratchet wrote:</b></span></td> </tr> <tr> <td class="quote">1 Thing though, I can't install gamespy on my computer for some odd reason so... yea.</td> </tr> </table> <span class="postbody"> <br /> <br />Even if it wasn't, you don't have to worry. Because with the 1.5 beta patch, it has it's own server browser so you don't have to go through gamespy to see if there is a game hosted.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row1"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sratchet</b></span></td> <td class="row1" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:44 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">Nevermind !! <br /> <br />It's up and running ;)</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> <tr> <td width="22%" align="left" valign="top" class="row2"><span class="name"><a name=""></a><b>Sratchet</b></span></td> <td class="row2" height="28" valign="top"><table width="100%" border="0" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0"> <tr> <td width="100%"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/icon_minipost.gif" width="12" height="9" alt="Post" title="Post" border="0" /><span class="postdetails">Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2009 6:26 pm<span class="gen"> </span> Post subject: </span></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><hr /></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2"><span class="postbody">1 Thing though, I can't install gamespy on my computer for some odd reason so... yea.</span></td> </tr> </table></td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="2" height="1" class="spaceRow"><img src="templates/subBlack/images/spacer.gif" alt="" width="1" height="1" /></td> </tr> </table>
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